I like the simplicity of this plan: we take OG with us to the grave, and you guys try to keep us there.

so someone deleted my comments even though i did not break any CoC rules

so i can't voice my opinions
KP and OG both suck really

all i see is that KP are jealous of OG's power and all they can do is attack little 2k tribes that just came OOP

i remember when KP tried to do that with us was really lame

lol

you cast mortality on us == no raze == forced to raid == small tribe.

As for who sucks: the rest of orkfia sucks. Finally someone takes on OG and immediately they start interfering - to the detriment of KP, yes. We're getting really tempted to start on THEM and leave OG alone. We know OG does nothing but grow and occasionally kill a tribe or three - but why stop a competitor from taking over #1? It's boring to have them lame growers on #1 all the time.

lol

your not taking on OG your just destroying there military while there sitting on top still

Atleast DN did it in style and killed most tribes

OG would of been dead by now along with KP. As DN grew quickly as well so it was a battle at the top.

If other alliances grew as fast as OG they would not be top all the time

i personally think the troop amount killed with raze is a BIT high, considering Hit-n-Run (which is designed specifically for killing troops and a small amount of cits) does less.

someone mentioned it has losses similar to B/C for the defender... i believe losses are less for both parties on raze unless its at 100% (which is what BC requires) so its about the same.

also, (just curious) what do you mean they are interfering? are they hitting you? because if you are running low DPA and getting hit, that's understandable.. :P but if they are griefing you trying to thwart your attempt, that's different. i plan to leave KP alone and watch the fireworks between you guys :P

personally i'd like to see someone other than OG on top for a while

~aqua

yes they're hitting us. We wonder how you can take the risk of hitting us when on all the forums people are complaining how fast they lose military. But alas, no. We'd hope people treat OG the same way, but no.

We don't grow as fast cause we're not as active. And we don't grow as fast because for us a life has been pointless if you haven't killed in it.

Also, we killed one OG tribe. More important: why are we being accounted for our not-killing? We are all vikings. They can't tm kill. We use our strengths, which is kill military. I don't understand the scolding.

I have a kill..
giggle

i think #27 is finally giving #17 a taste of there own medicine. #17 never says anything while there top #1 and now that #27 is having a little fun with them they freak out. There just reminding #17 that they can't just grow grow grow! Personally i'm happy that someones attacking #17.

not exactly.

#17 can just grow grow grow. But imo thats no fun.

Granted, they occasionally kill a guy as well. But they never have a full-scale warfare. And now we give it some of their members are complaining :(

I agree with you sloop... It´s fun to see that someone takes on 17, that make their great heritage bonus rather useless which I personally like :)
@Predator KP are attacking OG quite alot... They lack theive/mages so they are doing what vikings are meant for, destroy the other tribes military and buildings.

Game has been changed quite a bit lately. Why don't you try and kill OGs mlitary? And why don't you just t/m kill some overpowered 16k balrogs? In dutch we have this saying that the ppl who know things best never seem to be in charge.



Isn't it a bit boring to have only 1 strategy? Anyway, we're doing our best to keep our style up, as does OG (who is also doing a pretty nice job in crippling us). We're sorry to disappoint you while we're having fun anyway but if you need some attention 'in style' feel free to pm your tribes details to our elder.



Grew fast and disappeared fast. It's quite tough to be an effective force for a long time where shining is quite easy.



A revolutionary conclusion.

As for the OOW hits: I have to agree that we are not always extremely well defended but on the other hand we also aren't particularly badly defended. But ppl are just checking us 24/7 and intelling and as soon as we do a nice suicidehit they jump on us.. That's what I call lame lurking. Anyway, they all go on the shitlist and will get their part later.

I might add that's a vicious cycle, but I love it, keeps juice in the game :P

If my post wasn't clear enough: If you like to complain, please do so in style (you could get some lessons from Atan though I think he's very busy so it might get expensive for you)

oi, i was gonna stay out of this, but bolle, now you're talking crap.

we're not complaining that you're killing us, none of us are. however, one person did feel he lost a lot of military due to razes and we started looking it up. and as you yourself said:



we're adressing a possible problem with attacks (razes killing more military thatn HnR's and way out of range technically making HnR's obsolete), not the severe trashing you're handing out

“as we do a nice suicidehit they jump on us”

i GUARANTEE if i suicided, i would get hit 10 times till tuesday.. what makes you think you should be different just cause you are KP?

now i know you are in the middle of “the good fight” against OG, but you gotta keep your defenses up too. i get 20-30 failed thief ops on me every day, i know that if i suicide, i will get hit, so i either A. Dont suicide, or B. build walls when i do (at the expense of income) to make myself a less attractive target. maybe these are possible alternatives for you

keep in mind we are all aware of the KP shitlist and if anyone hits you, they should expect it to come eventually.. i mean, that's karma right?

~aqua

@Sesshomaru yes sorry I assumed Predator was part of #17.. my blatant mistake.

yes bolle, joe and everyone else please get things right here

we have not complained about getting hit we just mentioned about the raze troop loss

and predator is not in #17 and neither is viper

@aqua: well there's suicides and suicides. We only do the first one xD
The point is that ppl semisuicide at us because they expect we won't turn to them since we are too busy with hitting #17 while they never wouldve tried or be able to if we were peacefully growing (they can because our def is BCed away)

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@Sebulba: i have nothing against #17.. Actually it's good to have something to hit... Only better experience I had so far is killing Atan in classic (I now understand why he's so popular with you guys)

Also I think raze troops loss is indeed overpowered. Things that should happen imo:

1- Hitnrun cap needs to be at either 120+% or 75% or so. Troops loss might be ok. The current 100% boundary doesn't make sense asyou can hitnrun someone 1 acre bigger than you while it's impossible for him to hitnrun you back. (120+% seems best to me: a tribe 20% bigger should have the means to find a way to retal or defend)
2- Raze should be 100% to break and same losses as BC OR they stay the same 50% but units losses are quite reduced.

Idea is make hitnrun the logical retal option instead of raze.

Btw: note that raze isn't so imbalanced as it seems. It's just that Vikings do them 1.5x more often with double damage, so that's 3 times as effective in killing units. If you do that with 4 Viks thats 12-fold dmg compared to a normal raze. And yes that hurts, like 12 standards hurt too.

hehehe hilarious

you all thought i was in #17 well apart from the #17 guys

just trying to stir things up more

@joe: atan is one of the hardest people to kill not all the time but most of the time and is a very good challenge

but right now the challenge you are presenting too us is a difficult and challenging one to counter

which is making it much more interesting

Well it appears by now that this topic has become a flame fest. But I do want to point out that one enlightened orkfian did question the damage of raze versus HnR about two weeks ago. This wonderful orkfian tried to point that there is no reason to HnR any more because raze does so much damage, but received this response.



So what is it? Does raze kill more troops than HnR or not?

I think raze kills more because it seems that any battle counts as a 100% battle for losses while for hitnrun the losses differ alot depending on break % (or so it seems to me).

Btw, HaRRy you can say that standards kill the most units but as far as Viks go that doesn't seem to be true (unless you mean 'most units' as in both attackers and defenders losses... mine were higher than on raze or hitnrun I think)

Raze will have its military damage lowered, it has no use being high really when you use it to try to kill. Like HaRRy said, the damage was taken straight from the BC code and never altered.

Actually I think plans were put in place to do so a few ages ago but for some reason never got around to it. So age 28 should include a change or so to raze.

I never said standard kills most units.
Standard kills the same amount of units as BC and Raze on the defending side.
However, standard does less damage to the attacking side than BC and Raze.
So for killing military it's as efficient as BC and Raze but it costs less. So therefor you're best off with standard when your goal is to just kill military.

Isn't raid Best of All?