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Age 82 Changes - comments/q's

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Jamzi -

Changes have been posted here: http://alliancesatwar.com/forums/news/728111/age-82-changes/

d0nc35 -

who will play offence army of raven ?
i suggest just del that raven offence army ( 4/0 --> 3/0 ) and leave BW only.

gonzo -

Did you fix the Vigilance bug?

Scarlet -

Vigilance bug?
http://i.imgur.com/88Miriu.png

Please report any bugs via the bug report tool [up]

Sanzo -

Smaller tribes attacking bigger tribes adds vigilance = Bug

GEOM -

* After many months of development and testing (though I will be surprised if there is still not an odd bug here or there which we need your help to identify!).. we will be releasing a modernised layout/visual theme.

Is the above new theme already implemented?

If yes, where can one find it?

rEdL|nE -

It's shitty that the age starts and nothing changed yet.

Staff you guys suck!!!

bill -

Go home redline you're drunk![:p]

rEdL|nE -

Not yet, working on it :)

Sanzo -

Not home yet or not drunk yet?

dagyrox -

(retracted)

Fisk -

Posting one thing and having it “live” for a few days then posting new stuff...(I know it wasn't anything to worry about -This time)... is bad. BAAD.[heart]

GEOM -

How does the self intel function work ?

dagyrox -

try it and report back [:D]

dagyrox -

select your self from target drop down. run spell...done.

although, this costs mana, which makes no sense, so your still better of just copying and pasting into the forums.

rEdL|nE -

Not drunk yet doh

Kappa -

Quote
* Commandeer is changed: Add 16% of barren + incoming to a standard grab, capped at the total barren + incoming. If the attacker is 30% bigger, gains reduce by a modifier.

Formula info:
Growth Protection Modifier =
IF (TargetLand * 1.3 < Source Land ) ==> (Source Land/4*TargetLand) ^ 2

Max(0,
Minimum(TargetIncoming + TargetBarren , Standard Grab Formula + (TargetIncoming + TargetBarren)*.16) * ( 1 - Growth Protection Modifier)
)


Just making sure, is this the growth protection modifier (with the extra brackets)?:
(Source Land/(4*TargetLand)) ^ 2

If it is, did I put it in the spreadsheet below correctly? Because it's showing a 5k tribe commandeering a 2.5k tribe (with 500 acres incoming) for 78 acres while the old commandeer formula gave 70 acres.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H7DWJSxxWiZjTJ4aczZ3ly89H6RFb6OGep6w-52dtWc/edit?usp=sharing

Or doing it by hand:
Attacker Land: 5000
Defender Land: 2500
Defender Incoming Land: 500
Defender Barren: 0

Standard Attack = 25 acres
Growth Protection Modifier = (5000/2500/4)^2=0.25
Commandeer Land Gained = (25 + 0.16*500)*(1-0.25) = 78 acres

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Edit:
It seems like commandeer was buffed in some situations and nerfed in others. Here are some random values in the format:
Attacker Size | Defender Size | Incoming Acres | Old Commandeer | New Commandeer

5000 2500 500 70 79
6000 2500 500 26 67
7000 2500 500 21 54
8000 2500 500 17 38

5000 3000 700 113 117
6000 3000 700 84 107
7000 3000 700 33 94
8000 3000 700 27 79
9000 3000 700 23 62
10000 3000 700 19 43

5000 4000 400 490 400 (nerfed)
5000 4000 500 490 497
5000 4000 600 490 513
5000 4000 700 490 529
5000 4000 800 490 545

10000 4000 800 40 102
(A 10k tribe can hit tribes less than half their size for more profit now).

But at the end of the day, it's the combo of ravens and commandeer that's downright broken and since this age doesn't have that many big ravens so far, it might not be a problem this age. Also, the land gained on each commandeer will decrease with each attack since the formula is now based on a percentage of incoming acres so maybe there's no problem even with big ravens abusing commandeer...
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