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@Ard, I’m honestly surprised at how much livelier the forums became after you came back. I’m not even sure anymore whether I’ve made friends or enemies here, since I rarely post on the forums.

From my perspective, what you said wasn’t just an opinion or a statement. it came across as a direct accusation of cheating. You assumed we deliberately declared war on another alliance to abuse a game mechanic and gain extra war damage (which doesn’t even exist anymore) just to kill your Owl. We really plan everything around killing your Owl to get top 1 tribe by maximizing war damage. We learned from the previous war where you surrendered directly when the Owl was close to dying. The war declaration with another alliance wasn’t part of some strategy, it was a retaliation after being hit outside of war.

Regarding hiding in war by delaying or hitting small tribes (which we only hit coz they hit us out of war) that wasn’t something 19 has been doing all along. And as far as I know (correct me if I’m wrong), this is something many players/allis do. Some wait until their troops are back before leaving war, others do it for eco reasons, which I agree is something that could be improved by the game.

Anyway, happy holidays to everyone.

I see your perspective and I admit I was wrong on at least part of it. War damage bonus on multiwar has been removed and I did not realize it.

When it comes to the rest: It is my opinion that you cheated and that the tactic you employed is incredibly toxic. Any new player going solo, that somehow gets into war with a 5 player alliance, is defenseless against it. Was it cheating? That's not on my plate to decide.

For the hiding part: Who do you think you fool? Your mori hai hit #125 and #19 declared war on a different alliance. It can't get more obvious than that.

The age was mostly good, but that last tick “tactic” was pure BS.

@Ard, no one is trying to fool you. Let me enlighten u as it seems you always make assumptions and direct accusations with minimal information. To begin with, this was a retaliation on 125. During our war, our Mori hit your Owl, and his land was then commandeered by 125 Balrog while they were at war with 14, can’t remember if its a hidden attack maybe that’s y u didn’t saw it. We simply did the same thing or at least something that looks very similar.
As I’ve said before, we only retaliate against those who hit us out of war. Our Mori hit him and then declared on 15 as payback. After that, he hit our Mori again out of war while we were already at war with 15 just to get the largest grab record which u again assumed that we war them intentionally to get that non-existent additional war dmg bonus to kill your Owl. For the record, it was 125 who hit us first.

Regarding the last-tick kill. I understand you’re upset about it, but your Owl admitted it was well played and that he was careless during the final two hours. There was no cheating involved, as we already explained. Our goal was to secure the top-1 tribe position by killing your Owl with maximum war damage. From our previous war experience, we learned that you tend to surrender quickly once close to being taken down, so we adjusted our strategy accordingly. If you think that’s inappropriate, its the game dev who should improve or change the war mechanics.

Zenos, im sorry, but past 4 ages intel sharing, cooping with your good friend GoN even longer (before he joined 22) and deliberately abusing mechanics is something that is just flat out immoral and wrong.
I understand that for you and your alliance and for 22 (staff members and full) it is something normal and good, but please expect also reactions for it.

Last age was just special because you guys did not bother anymore to even try to hide it.. instead using Donald playbook - directing focus to elsewhere.
Yes.. this specific war declaration may have been how you said - this does not negate about nonstop war hiding or any other bs that has been done over üast 5 ages!

God knows i am rarely agreeing with Ard, but no matter how it is spinned... he was right in principle and no matter what you, noodle, full, gon or the gang says.. its just bunch of bs justifying completely lack of any sort of sportsmanship or fair play.

Ulfworth u have no brains u tolk shit
Btw your urk hit landfarm mirfor few times in 125 and yell too us about hit a landfarm

Hi @Ulfworth, good day to u! Regarding last age, i feel the urged to tell what really happened coz there are some wrong assumptions and direct accusations from Ard. I made my point already. Anyway, war hiding, 5 man alli vs small alli, etc. has been always like this for several ages ago and i think it’s not illegal even war interference. I agree with some players that it needs to be changed and there are many suggestions from past ages already but it seems the dev has not taken any actions (not that i know of).

Regarding to your accusations past 4-5 ages ago. I was quite surprised about this and i dont remember getting any mails, reports for the alleged cheating, intel sharing or coop. Yes, Gon was a former 19 player but we didn’t have any communication after he left and joined 22. Multiple wars, alliance targeting is pretty unavoidable with this small player base game esp 1 alli personally hates the other allies (22 hates 13, hates 24, hates 19). I remember 22 vs 13 back to back wars several ages ago. For god sake, we personally hates Full, Gon and 13 suicidal attackers for hitting everyone on the first week. 22, Full and Gon knows how we set a KT on them the same thing we set on 13. After Marvino was killed by 22 two ages ago, we suspected that Gon had received some information from our old Discord group, which led Marvino to kick him. I can also tell from the names and descriptions used by 13 and 22’s alliance that there’s some ongoing conflict and serious allegations. However, neither I nor former 19 have any involvement or information regarding the situation. Last age we tried to stay passive until 22 killed our inactive member. We tend to be more active at the 3rd week when we saw the chance to get the top 1 alliance and top 1 tribe. But things got messy when 22 Full, 125 Buffy and 14 Elder keeps hitting us outside of war. Anyway, goodluck to all players and hoping for a less toxic 2026.

All accusations and reports were reviewed by myself or Sanzo, as stated to you in 13.
Just because someone gets a warning a ban a pause for a certain amount of time, LNO does not have to let the public know.
I’ve lost several friends over the issues as noted above.
Yes it sucks when you die but I verified also that the multiple war damage bonus was removed it is.

Gon had a personal issue with me after we had several conversations and answers could not be given. Hence is why we are down more players in #22

As for 13 I lost a good friend there due to Them accusing me of harbouring players classifying me as a cheater etc.send the report in I’ve always said if it involves me or #22 Sanzo reviews it.

I do agree with Ard about the toxic play, and war hiding, unfortunately almost every alliance has done this at one time or another, yes even 13, and what’s left of us in 22.

As for the coop accusations coop was removed from the CoC, I wish it never was but I wasn’t part of that choice at the time.
Hitting in and outta war has always happened I don’t like it but there’s not much anyone can do about it, I’ve always pushed for higher war interference etc.

As its a longer posting, segmenting it into 3 posts. for Zenos, To Noodle and overall our vision on past 5 ages.



@Zenos Thank you for your reply. I will try to answer your text point by point to have some sort of convo not rambling nonsense. Here are my answers to your magnificent piece of writing.

- My post is not based on Ards comments, its based on longer history and basic logic based on events.

- War hiding, i agree it has often used, but its easy to see that its mostly the same people who do it. Very rarely i have seen 40 hiding for example, or 125 doing that. However 19, 22 and wherever GoN plays its always happening. You can justify that others are doing it too as much as you like - it wont change the fact that its bs and 19 is currently the biggest abuser.

Real world example: Someone kills another person, steals, rapes, robs, lies etc etc - you do it and claim it that its because it has been done by others throughout the history? if your past the age of 5 you know its completely invalid reasoning.

Devs have not taken any actions because the game developer is person who does it from his free time and goodwill - he expects people to not be assholes and play it for fun not for reasons GoN or Full does.

- No mails regarding cheating or abuse? Very simple, there is no point to do it. Cheaters are not removed and abuse is considered “normal” in this community. I personally dont see any reason to waste my time on this.
a)Each such case wastes time of admins and dev - time that should be used better.
b)Each such case bring general mood of the very few actual admins down and makes them question.. why do they spend precious time on earth for nonsense like this.
c)Even if there is complaint sent, action taken or not. What does this achieve? If action is taken - nothing is actually taken becase of lower player base. This age 22 did the most blatant land farming cheat there is and they got a stern look for it.
Why spend time investigating, complaining, talking or etc if there is no result anyway?

Few ages ago(Age when Gon and his alt account/coop buddy left 19) I was also at the point where i wrote to Sanzo about GoN and the amazing all around abuse:
a)2 weeks of insults in names and ally descripts that crossed the line of any reasoning.
b)GoN abusing War mechanics - him and his alt account/coop both in separate alliances. Always attacking us and following it up with 1 sec later war declare to each other to hid. During those hiding times, GoN converted to full eco mode and his friend explored land, but never built it - helping GoN to commandeer. When 48h was over, gon converted to full TM Def mode. This pattern repeated 5+ times.
c) a certain thief from 19 on, almost all occasions, scouted me before those events took place. Im sure it was just a coincidence.
Please note gon did not need any other way of communications - he was sitting in 19 discord and had access to all intel. Leaving no ingame paper trace.

Now, i wrote to sanzo 2 emails.. first out of frustration. He responded nicely but it was easy to see he was frustrated at possibility of another waste of time to spend time solving this. I also suspect he used AI to make his answer more polite, but that is ok :)
My latest letter to him was that i will share more stuff in a few days as i was busy - in reality i never did.
This was exactly due to i realized there is no point. Yes, i took some screenshots, yes i had some stuff up (still do in my pc), but in the end - nothing would change and Sanzo would just get more pointless BS on his plate. Opposed to many others, I respect him enough, so - lub was added, big boy pants were put on and i decided to not waste time on that.
However this was a black drop in my “nice” chalice (Sanzo, turning to dark side storyline)

- Hate other alliance
13 did not hate anyone. We always tried to play and let play. However in past 2 ages we have decided that we wont be the only alliance that stops hostilities or wont hit into wars. We avoided that at all costs until the breaking point. Because we were the only one.
Extra comment: Main issues with ard vs me (and my ally mates) rose while he was with us - vision if we should capitalize and finish tribes/alliances off at best opportunity.. or delaying and play more live and let live strategy. Our belief was that with this small player base.. if we dont abide by old orkfia spirit, the game has more hostile environment and less fun to be had to everyone. At that time i believed in Noodle fairytales that he believes that too and considered him to be a good guy.
Then when GoN did his thing, we decided.. ok We keep our Code but GoN and his Coop friend is excluded... 2 ages alter Noodle revealed his true colors and we reached to the point we are now.
We don't care anymore. We don't believe in any messages we receive in game or in disc.
However we don't hate anyone with exception of GoN and his coop friends. Yes.. even Full - despite him wishing me my children's death and other nice things on his many messages. I know hes special.. and still hope that behind all his mental issues, there is a better heart. Belief is based on - full has never LIED to me or us. No matter how rude, he is no dishonest.

-13 Naming and descriptions
I will go into more detail to post for noodle. However in short. This is based on 22 blatantly cheating while their elder being in L&O. There is no universe where it should be considered ok. Especially the way it was handled by 22 itself and L&O.
Hiding, lying and when no chance to hide then all narrative change.

There is Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Noodle. The same approach ties all 3 of them. 0 accountability, 100% dishonesty and constantly changing narrative believing that if they lie enough times, people will take it as truth.

-Ever wonder why they hit you into and outside of war? again 0 reflection. Your only abusing mechanics to hide in wars. Im surprised buffy did not hit you much earlier. I even asked Buffy (not polite and frustrated way as he has past tendencies to focus on me) that why he focuses on me and not you. Your mori had 3K more land, but same def as me. Yet buffy hit me 2x in a row. There was no logic in his answer expect that you were in war (only part of his response i believed).
Having GoN, being massive mechanics abuser.. look in mirror before soft play victim card here.

Have a nice and of the year!

Hello noodle.

- Im happy that you reviewed all accusations about yourself. Nothing was stated to me in 13 about this nor there was ANY public records announcements and punishments declared. Your claim is another lie in a row of many.

What you stated via 22 elder messages was:

No reports received (while i know there was reports sent)
After week of us claiming you a liar in our ally descriptions you changed story that OK OK there was a report but nothing bad was discovered.
We once again changed our description and alliance name claiming this is another lie.

After few days we received info that there was even Warnings and *stern looks* given to your alliance in punishment over the actions you still dont admit doing.
What more can i say Noodle = Putin = D.J.Trump.
0 logic, 0 honesty, 100% lies, coverup, deceit. Exactly like your policy of “not hitting into war or straight after war”. Which is only valid if others do it, but when you do it your answer is always “I dont control my people”.
Like full always hit us after wars. well this age we did not anymore turn a blind eye and returned the favour - instantly your description when to flame and blame. Instead of thinking oh.. maybe we did it many times in past and now pay the price.

- L&O does not need to let public know. In a game where there is 30 players, your North Korean or Chinese approach to hide truth and keep cheating wont work. If it were thousands of players, it would.. just like in the realword counterparts.
Additionally, in normally run countries, there are public records of any major crimes.
But i understand your approach completely from the ideoligy your worship and use - that perspective it makes sence. Just like to Trump or Putin.

-Was that friend the friend you lost a year ago when you wrote me a sad letter. yet the friend immideately came back first under alias then under real name?
Was the friend the same friend who made a new account and even WROTE IN THIS THREAD with the very recognizable style of writing and use of words?
I will not fall for this sob story for a second time.

-Coop. If an alliance or a player Coops with someone else in a game of 30 players - there is not much comments needed from the common sence perspective. We already have small alliances, small playerbase.. what does one gain with coop? He compensates for his small peepee or something else? Its same if a player plays first person shooter but uses Autoaim software.. i mean.. what do you gain from ruining a game for everyone (including yourself)?
I have never understood this and never will. This is someone mentally challenged or some other compensating issues way of acting. You gain nothing, your playmates gain interest to play reduction.

-Hitting in and out of wars. It has often happend.. it was something i have had many hours and fights with people. It is matter of pricinple.. even in first week. in old days wars were “sacred” and i tried to maintain this in 13 for a long time. However, last 2 ages the restriction is off (as i wrote you ingame long ago). And that final drop was when your alliance yet again told me you dont hit to war but hit us yet again with bs excuse. (Sanzos turning to the darkside story ref 2).

-Higher war interference. Good thing but people like GoN or 19 will only abuse it - so cant be done without other fundamental changes.

Have a good ending to your year and hope you will come back from Trump ideology one day!

Memory of the ages.

-I have rooted for 19 long time. Elmander and etc.. always played positively and owly, scumbag, Elms father.. they often did good but then missed out on last push to win an age or etc. Maybe due to activity, motivation or who knows. But they were not the bad guys. Marv is on border. He is usually not bad in his heart, but if he is combined with some rotten seed, he abuses, bottomfeeds and does all the “not” honourable things. However he does not cheat and has hit into war very few times. So im happy he left the sneaks of 19 and showed he wants nothing to do with that.

But everything changes...

Here comes GoN. His first age in 19, 19 got a lot stronger and he influenced marv to release his darkside. That age many dirty tricks and stuff was done that was mechanics abusing and warhiding. But it is what it is. GoNs handwriting changed that alliance from positive to despicable.

But what is my perception (not verified by people of 19 at that time), one age later the “great” gon decided to leave as 19 was too inactive for his taste... This changed 19 to not better.. his shadow was still in 19 and started the above stuff i mentioned in first post.
1)Targeted me 3 weeks of the 4 weeks of age.
2) Used war hiding, landfarming his friends and coop intel with 19.
Whats worse.. 19 thief on that age spent also 3 out of 4 weeks just arsenicing me. Despite me having 15% and 20% gh, that was all he did. Start of every tick Arsenic (maybe missed 2 ticks per 24h). We killed him for it. he restarted as owl to be even more effective - he opped at 00.01 per tick to make sure its hard to avoid. he did not care if he was hit by the very few attackers, hes only purpose was to help GoN to weaken me.
My tribe was at standstill for 2 weeks due to that. While it was kinda interesting to me to find tactics how to outplay that harassment, it was also clear that coop and ill intention was behind it.
Then age ended.. Gon Joined 22. He made last minute decition to go attacker that was not orc, full went viking or raven, i dont remember.. so therfor i changed into HE. 19 thief guy also went spirit to continue harassment, but since i made HE change, he was toothless. So he poisoned my waters for a week.. saw it was very useless and after i hit him a few times.. he went SPIRIT ATTACKER. This was attempt to try and make a suicide tribe to hurt me and help gon.
I was very happy, as that was one of the worst things to do. He dropped to 400 acres after my hits and basically vegetated almost entire age.
So only reason it wasn't harassment age like last was because i went HE at last minute and ruined 22 Gon, Full and his coop from 19 plans.. and yet they still tried.

Following ages was more of the same.. 19 scouting me, GoN trying to hit shortly after, but the intencity went less and less - my guess is.. cheaters became bored of their actions and looked for new wasy of entertainment.

Last 2 ages. Marv discovers that additional to his coop buddy in 19, he is also still in their discord (after i wrote him again that dude, its clear that this rotten to the core). He kicks GoN.
I did not believe Marv at first that he did not know, he is smart enough to see it himself. However after some observing of activity patterns and talking to few people i trust in game, i came to conclusion that Marv was paying very little attention to the game and was rather drinking in real life :)
So.. while it may sound bad, i gained a bit of faith that not all players are rotten in general principle. (Tipping my hat to Marv, -1 dark side alignment @ Sanzo).
But what happens next... Staff and part of L&O of the game hide the fact that it was reported by ARD. For at least a week. We change our alliance name and description to emphasize that its bs and no need to hide. Noodle carries on his Trump game.
Then something happens suddenly, Noodle kicks GoN. I dont know the details, but i was hoping its because of the Coop and cheat issue, but from what i have heard it was another reason.
A short land farm fest starts when GoN does gone, overreacts and hits 22 in revenge. 22 hit back, GoN loses land and a new, unknown spirit appears to 22 (maybe GoNs alt account, maybe his friend, maybe someone else). That 500 acre spirit suddenly grabs the strongest attacker in game 3x. With off between 5000 and 10000. At that time our attacker had 200K mod off.
Clearly Gon Released def to boost the spirit and other 22 members.
It gets reported - 22 still maintains for several days “No Reports” message as per Trump/Noodle manifesto.
Then i hear that noodles reacting to unpublic stern look (and warning that is not shown to anyone but 22) was “but if we get punished think how it looks, they think we kicked gon that we wanted his land”.
Reaction from staff member that is clearly worried about looks and NOT about him and his alliance being lieing, cheating, cooping players. No concern over the actions that a staff member should never ever do, but rather, how it looks.
Sound familiar? Mr Trump and Putin would approve! :)
This completed my quest ark forthe turning to the dark side (but not fully, as i still refuse to coop or cheat unlike other heroes and unsung heroes of the story)

One thing i never thought i would do, is give Props to Ard. I dont know what happened, but he was the behind the scenes hero who seeked justice with the little tools he had.
Maybe his new child has changed him, maybe he is doing better in life.. no matter. It is positive and i Tip my hat to him for that!
I also hope that he was not disappointed how futule this has been in bigger picture.


As for Sanzo - i do not blame you in this scenario or accuse you of not handling stuff.
1) With the size of playerbase.. even a single ban affects a lot. Game dies if all such scum is banned.
2) I understand that its impossible to take away the land after such landfarming

but im concerned that this showed everyone that its ok to abuse and cheat and it will happen more.. especially after GoNs watchful eyes.

For the future, please consider some timely account freezes.. because this way the free land wont give flat out advantage to cheaters and let others catch up or surpass the gains from such actions.
Additionally, please try to run Staff in a way that at least they dont show examples how to cheat.. how to coop and encourage this. First reaction of staff should not be how i look, but rather... disappointment in themselves if they do such things.. rest is another story.


Ending of 2025

22 had massive lead with full being the strongest player on the board, but they somehow managed to throw it all away on fulls impulsiveness.
Full raged on 13(us) to a point whe had 2 wars which only goal was to weaken full so every other player can grow (as he would be unable to attack stronger TMS). Which worked. Yes we took losses for it, but full was neutralized and 22 lost its age win.
and No, after kicking Gon 22 was still miles ahead of everyone.


GoN went to some solo alliance, did some trolls and then rejoined, 19 changed again to the most abusing, scum alliance this game has had for a while (yes even worse than 22 have been recently despite all the above efforts).
This caused everyone to just not care of war interference and hit them.
I expect more of the same from 19 next age and im very interested to see how many alt accounts or new accounts outside of 19 will support their cause yet again as land farms or other self hurting destructive ops vs 19 targets.

Noodle has no Full for a few weeks, but recovers, 40 is inactive - hope it changes, Ard is back and life goes on.....

A lot remains unsaid, but 17K characters over 3 posts is more than i should have spent on this game!

Hope you had some nice reading and have a nice ending of 2025!

Heh, I'd have appreciated not even beeing a thought in that post. :/

You may not have remember, but I have advocated for live and let live before. We had disagreements, but I believe we both want a fair and fun game for everyone, that is also rigged at letting newcomers join and shine.

Not a at all a fan of the posts that are basically nukes against reputation for staff/admin. I believe they acted upon what could be proven and on guidelines put down years and years earlier by others. Guidelines and rules that likely should be changed in order to provide a welcomming and strong community. To be able to prove anything, better tools would have to be coded and changes made. I do not think your posts improves anything, sadly - killing motivation for staff rarely leads to positive changes.

The only report was that of Gon at that time,(other reports were sent in and were looked at throughout the age)
leaving us and hitting us after an altercation in Our chat. So we proceeded to target select tribe.

And your report at the time was reviewed by Sanzo.
As I don’t involve myself with any against #22 as it doesn’t seem right to me, and in my eyes goes against CoC.

You go on about me and many others being cheaters, look from within before you cast stones good sir.

When one player joins an alliance you classify that group as cheaters if you don’t approve or like them, your post has so much hatred and is very toxic in its self.
Throwing out many accusations here at many many different players in an already low player base isn’t smart.
We’re supposed to be encouraging alliances and tribes here not trying to rip people apart here, Im sry that you’ve become even more bitter over things that don’t seem right, for that Im sorry.

I am very glad that you and many others are still playing this game, and you have a right to your own opinion of me and others right or wrong, as previously stated I wish you the best, but unfortunately Im trying to ignore all the uncouth things you’ve stated against many players.

I trust Noodle to act in the best interest of this community, at the best of his ability and guidelines set for staff. As well as keep the game running with merges, requests for namechanges, etc.

As such, I hope he willl continue to find joy both as player and as staff. And that there be no further frustrated crap-posts like Ulfworth posted - Sorry about that description Ulfworth, but your post improves nothing. I will also mind my tongue on that regard.

Good old ard is back! (Hidden jabs and poison inserted in a normal looking messages)

The posts are not to “crap” on anyone. The post is what i have seen happening last 5+ ages and its effects. I left a lot out to shorten and avoid further drama.
There is no universe where cheating, lieing and lowballing should be ok.
Especially by the people who lead. Thats why easy irl comparisons.

However those actions can not be hidden under a rock and act like its all ok.

I had full faith in noodle untill hes mask fell off and the above happend. I still wish him the best and hope 2026 such things wont happen.

PS! Note that noodle is just a part, not the root of all evil!

I can understand your perspective, I just don't agree with it. Wish you all a happy new year!

@Ulfworth, after reading your long post, I felt there was a lot of anger in it, and unfortunately that kind of tone only adds more toxicity to the community. I do agree with Noodle that you often seem to label a group or alliance negatively if you don’t approve of them. Even when it’s not about cheating, you usually have complaints or comments whenever you or your team are hit or targeted.

Regarding the “Memory of Ages” thread, I can confirm that while some of the operations mentioned were true, others seemed to include added details that made the situation appear worse or suggest cheating. It’s also worth saying honestly that part of the reason you are targeted is because of the reputation you’ve built over time (you are hated). The same can be said for Full, who has a strong ego and frequently escalates things through constant mailing and insults.

When I returned to Orkfia as a solo player after several years away, one pattern stood out to me: almost every age, there’s a negative forum post from you directed at a player or an alliance. At one point it was against 19 Ard and Marvino; other times it was against Noodle or Full. If anyone looks back at forum posts from 2024, they’ll see the same trend repeating. That’s probably why comments like Kairon’s “Ulf cries more than Full” from 3 or 4 ages ago were made in the Forum. Long-time players notice these things for sure, but choose not to comment or engage at that level of immaturity.

If you genuinely believe there is cheating happening, the best approach is to file a report (i assumed u already did) and let the staff handle it. As for war hiding, war interference, and certain tactics, I strongly believe these are not illegal within the rules. Some may consider them unethical, but ultimately that’s something for the developers to address and improve. And to be fair, these tactics have been used in the past by many alliances, including yours.

My hope going into 2026 is that the game sees real improvements and positive changes for its long-term health. Orkfia already has a small player base, and the high level of toxicity only hurts it further. happy new year to all!

Don't let the gaslighters get you with their hate and accusations. Noodle and Ard are solid guys and I'd say most people here are. I think we can see those who like to stir the pot and post long diatribes hurling hate against entire alliances when maybe there was an issue with one person. This hasn't changed in the last 10 years playing this game at least and its so easy to get sucked into the debate, even just trying to defend oneself. I'd say, everyone have fun, dont try to piss people off, and let the administration do their thing. If you have a problem, report it. Maybe nothing gets done, but if you don't report it then there is no chance of anything getting done.

@Zenos: Yes, development like will/want to adress it, but they cannot. Game currently lacks a coder with enough time and knowledge (of the code) to implement.

As such, using tactics and strategies that are “permitted” by the game - even when others in the community point out they are toxic - will be viewed as unethical or cheating.
Do as you please with that knowledge.

Edit: I also did file a report on what I viewed and stated as cheating. In hindsight, I should have done only that and not caused even more toxicity posting as direct as I did about the said tactic.

@Ard, as Noodle mentioned. It’s been like this for several ages and there were many suggestions ages ago but still no changes were made. It is notable that war hiding, war interference and multiple wars targeting has been present ages ago and done by certain alliance. 13, 22 is no exception and even 19 when you are still there. Hitting out of war, war evading and I also remember 3 alliance hitting 19 at the same time.

I'm aware, I'm not guilt free. Never once did it a whole age through as top alliance I believe, with mostly 12h tops in between wars. There are levels to this shit and this age I'd say was different.

I was a short time in development. What we wanted to do and what happened - merely a tenth of what we had set up came to fruition due to coding beeing a bottleneck. And that was after limiting changes drastically to only target what was perceived to be easy to code.

@Zenos, i am happy if im hated by the people who are dishonest, use shady tactics and other low blows. This filters out who i spend my time on and also shows that it hits the spot.
Unlike part of this community, I will never join the gang of “hes cool, who cares if he cheated/cooped/targeted with ill intent” and i am happy if im hated by the people who are dishonest, use shady tactics and other low blows. This filters out who i spend my time on and also shows that it hits the spot.
Rash emotion and low self control (which leads to emotional letters) is one thing, but planned and deliberate evil is another level.

It is not about “if you believe”, it is i know what You (all 19) have done (some active, some passively) and i described it above. nothing more to add. Fake sincerity or hiding does not make it undone.

Additionally i am also aware that i have overreacted on occasions. Recent ages i have taken a step back and ignored almost everything except blatant cheating and clear ill intent which i described above.

I will not “throw stones” to people who have same tendencies in this game.
Instead i will compliment one person who is also having blood feuds with some people over emotional engagements - Matt.

A while ago in one age, he raged at me for hitting him for land or resources. However few hours later he wrote me a message that he overreacted and saw that i did not have ill intent.
It takes character to admit this and ever since then i have closed my eyes to all crap that some people still talk about him. Tipping my hat to him.

@smokey

I understand your feelings and point of view and i dont agree at all with “i know these guys are cool lets let it slide”.
If your part of an alliance who does this crap, you either fix it internally or you step out of that. Simple. Passive participation in cheating is not ok.
In 22 case.. 3 tribes out of 4 were engaged with landfarming. It is one one guy, it is staff member alliance which claimed no reports, no wrong doing.. while there was reports and they even got warnings (which i mention as a stern look as it does not mean much in reality and effected the entire age).

All such things should be public, not hidden away and let the cheaters/abuses keep hiding.

I (i also hope most of this community) would be extremely happy if all players played in good faith - aka did not try to abuse rules / situations / deliberate targeting. However as i wrote in my long post, it is far from it.

So, less victim mode of “oh its very toxic” and more reflection + hands on showing with the way you play that you want good clean game, fair competition and enjoyment. Not attacking and targeting out of spite, not bending rules or even flat out cheating. New age is starting, lets see if its more of the same or some actual mentality shift to cleaner play.

Happy new year and new age!

@Ulfworth

Are you trying to quote me? I've never said those words about being cool or letting anything slide.

@Smokey

It is not quote, it was summary what i read from your post.

Longer summary:

You wrote: you know them long time their solid and then diverted discussion with “I think we can see those who like to stir the pot and post long diatribes hurling hate against entire alliances when maybe there was an issue with one person.” + gaslighters.

Ergo, diverted discussion about cheating to stirring shit and gaslighting.

Thats why i wrote i completely disagree with this approach. Ignoring cheating/abusing mechanics because “are solid guys”.
Im sure Putin is solid guy to someone, does it make it ok what hes doing? (No new hate towards anyway, only example written).

Don't feed the troll.

@Ulfworrh,

Don't use quotes if youre paraphrasing.

Anyway, not diverted, commented the ones stirring the pot are also the ones complaining. It doesn't mean they dont have a point or should be ignored entirely; however, I dont think every instance is cheating. If LnO, who have tools the rest of us don't, dont say its cheating then how can we say it is? Its just accusations at this point, nothing to get upset over. Have fun.

Happy New Years to all!